on this show in mid-january. we discussed the debt ceiling. you voted against the deal to suspend the debt ceiling with 34 of your fellow senators but it passed anyway. what yo do you need to see in a bill to avoid the sequester sometime between now and the end of february? >> ali, first of all, as someone who did run a business for 22 years, i'm embarrassed about the way we're operating the country right now and i want to say that up front. sequestration is a bad idea. we ought to be doing our business, approapriating and budgeting, making decisions on cost b-benefit analysis. these continual deadlines and cliffs is no way to run a country much less a company. >> when you run a company, you have these things called poison pills. that's what the sequestration was. something to awful it would prevent a certain course of action from taking place. why is it that elected officials don't treat that the same way that you would if you were in business? if you had a poison pill in your business to say if you don't do something x will happen or if you do x would happen, you'd avoid that bad thing.